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  1. bronco73

    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    ya the only way Larsson for Ghost works is if Philly hires Chia as their new GM
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    Who keeps deciding that Kassian isn’t a good fit for McDavid?

    Gagner discussion moved to the Gagner thread to keep things tidy.
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    Sam Gagner

    I'm going to slide these Gagner posts over to his thread, just to keep things tidy.
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    Sam Gagner

    nope, not saying that at all. What I've been saying all along is that you are incorrect when you say he is inconsistent and overpaid for his production, that's it. That being said, you are entitled to that opinion of course. There are any number of reasons why some teams would send a player down that other teams would otherwise not. We are not privy to their reasoning, neither you nor I know for a fact why he would have been sent down. You can assume it's because of inconsistency or not scoring enough, but that would be little more than an unproven assumption. He was only sent down 2 times in his career, once for a 9 game stint in Philly and of course the Vancouver on that was 43 games. Since I was not part of the decision making process any of the two times he was sent down, I will not claim anything to be actual truth, but there is enough reporting out there to get a pretty good idea. What was reported in Philly the first time he was sent down was that cap room had to be made for Streit to return to their lineup, and the choice was him or Ghost, Gagners cap relief and Ghosts incredibly good rookie year made Gagner the choice. That doesn't scream inconsistency to me, rather it says tough choices had to be made. Then in Vancouver the management and media are all stating that it had nothing to do with production, but everything to do with a "fit". They say he just doesn't fit with their roster and desire to move forward with a young roster. Nothing about any of the two times he was sent down screams inconsistent or inability to score to me. https://www.mcall.com/sports/hockey/phantoms/mc-sam-gagner-flyers-phantoms-0106-20160106-story.html
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    Sam Gagner

    so two outlier years out of a 13 year span, and you are calling that inconsistent? You will not find many other players in this entire league that have been that consistent. Again, personal bias and unfair scrutiny. 13 year career rounded up and down to nearest 100'th:: 2007 - .62 2008 - .54 2009 - .60 2010 - .62 2011 - .63 2012 - .79 2013 - .55 2014 - .50 2015 - .30 2016 - .62 2017 - .44 2018 - .44 Note how the slowly declining numbers coincide with his reduced ice time as he ages? There's no inconsistency there, it's only in your mind. Anyways I don't need or want to argue it any more, I feel I've proven the case with plenty of information and data to support it. You can go on believing he is inconsistent and overpaid, but the numbers prove otherwise.
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    Sam Gagner

    yup, and here it is... nearly an identical scoring pace for the entire 5 year period. In fact almost identical over his entire career, is that not pretty much the definition of consistency? 0.435 ppg for edmonton this year, and his 5 year average (2014/2015 season until now) is 0.465 ppg. He HAS been consistent, in fact right now he's within 0.1 PPG difference from his performance over his entire career. You absolutely can hold him to a different standard, people do it all the time with every player in the league, it's called bias and you are perfectly entitled to it. That does not however make it correct or fair.
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    Sam Gagner

    Well what you said was that you have no problem with how he's playing "at league minimum or close to it", and that's what I was replying to. I think it's unfair to hold him to a higher "scoring" standard of pay than other members of the team or league. You are right nobody can say with any real confidence how Gagner will play next year... but that can be said of every player in the league. That being said, right now at this pay and this scoring rate, Sam Gagner is a bargain. BTW Deutch this is the first post I've made on this subject, so trust me I'm not really really believing anything at this point, nor am I gritting my teeth, I'm just throwing some information down to put things into perspective on Gagner.
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    Sam Gagner

    Actually when you look at the league, the pace that Gagner is scoring at for us puts him right on par with or better than most others at the same pay level. Even if we just look at the Oilers and take all players points and standardize them to an 82 game schedule vs scoring, Gagner is actually ahead of about 2/3's of the team in cost per point. He's currently producing at a lower cost per point than both RNH and Mcdavid even (the far right column is actuall cost per point over 82 full games, the next two to the left are cost per goals and assists). Look who's right up there as the best, Chiasson at around 15K per point. Too bad because I have a strong feeling we lose him in the offseason.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    Souray speaking out wasn't a bad thing, but he handled it horribly. When you are a public figure there is still a responsibility to use at least some decorum. And I still firmly believe that a lot of his "issues" were his own that he blamed the organization for. Even after leaving the Oilers his play was terrible and he was out of the league within two years after a very large and quick tailspin. Voicing your frustrations needs to happen and sometimes they do even need to go to the media with their issues to get them out, but what Souray did was vitriolic and vindictive. He sealed his own fate.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    haha I see what you did there! Well done
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    lol I noticed that while I was gone they were able to win a few games.... come back and they go back to stinking up the joint I'm starting to think it's me
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    Oh I just thought you were having a stuttering problem
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    think we could get Hall for him?
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    apparently he came back 4 times and left again
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    Perron asked to be moved out, the team had no choice. But why bother getting fair value in return, that's just nuts.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    yup. we are trying to bump his goal total up to 1 by the end of the season.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    10 feet out RNH... you gotta hit the net bud.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    He'll be 25 to start the upcoming season, he's pretty close to well simmered IMO. We will see if he comes up but at least we have something to watch play out lol! just have to figure out a way to attach the stick to the mules hoof.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    That leads me to my next thought... I truly do believe that the Oilers both knew Stolarz would walk in the offseason and want it to happen. IMO they weren't going to sign him anyways, which explains why he isn't getting starts. I think next season they bump Starret up to the backup position, so they had no real use for Stolarz anyways. They SHOULD have extended Talbot and let Koskinen walk after the 1 year deal, and brought up Starret next year as Talbs backup... but I digress. Either way we look at it, with this roster and this goaltending, and this management running the show it looks like we have a lot of years to wait before becoming a contender.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    Yup. Talbot had a rough start to the season for sure, but from the end of November on he was by far the better goaltender, it wasn't even close.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    I agree... but his weaknesses were exposed already well before this fanbase ran Talbot out of town. We HAD a decent goaltender, one I felt was better than Koskinen, and rather than fixing the real problems we blamed it all on him and chased him to the curb. REAL bad goals I will have no problem blaming Koskinen for... but when the team in front of him breaks down as often and badly as this one does, I find it real hard to land everything squarely on his shoulders.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    This is what ticks me off the most. How many games has it been since the Talbot trade? Stolarz should have had his games in by now for crying out loud. It's like the Oilers management had been planning for him to walk in the offseason before the deal was even made.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    Why all the complaining about Koskinen? This entire season almost everybody on this board screamed from the rooftops that Talbot was the problem. I for one will not put all the blame on Koskinen. Just like Talbot he is being lambasted with quality shots every night. The team in front of our goaltenders is every bit as much to blame as the goaltender.
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    GDT: Oilers @ Blues 6 PM (MT) Tues, Mar 19.18 SN1

    and that should do it..... I hope lol!
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