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On his health:

Hemsky's surgically repaired shoulder is fine and should be at or near 100 per cent by the time he reports for training camp.

“I’m not worrying about it. It’s only the last two seasons, but before that I don’t think I’ve had many injuries,” said Hemsky, who expects to be ready for the Oilers training camp in mid-September.

“I know to have surgery seems bad, but when you fix the shoulders, they should be OK, now. You get hit, you get a small tear in the shoulder and it’s tearing and tearing and finally it’s torn all the way. For two months you don’t feel it, then you get to where you can’t even sleep. Only thing you can do is go for surgery. I don’t know if I’ll ever have the motion I had before. They’ve tied it up pretty tightly for a hockey player, but it’s good enough for sports. I can play tennis, golf.”

On Smyth:

“Getting Smytty back is great news for us. We’ve missed his type of player for a long time. The greasy goals around the net, using him on the power play. He’s a great leader. There’s friendship there,” he said.

"He's been around for a long time, so he's got a lot of things to say to the young guys," Hemsky said. "They can learn from him.

"I played with him for five years, six years. He gave me a lot. He was nice to me. He can build your confidence. His work ethic is great. The guys can just learn from that.

"On the ice, he's a leader. Even if he doesn't talk, you can just see it on the ice. He works every shift. He's in every battle. He cares about the team."

On RNH:

He admits that he was more concerned with how he handled the puck than how No. 1 draft pick Ryan Nugent-Hopkins looked.

“What number was he? If I skate (Wednesday), maybe I’ll take a picture. He can autograph it for me,” said a joking Hemsky, who was drafted 10 years ago, 13th overall.

On Regehr:

“I never minded playing against him. He’s tough but honest. He hits, but he doesn’t hit you blind. OK, he did it one time. But he’s not that dirty. There’s dirtier guys than him. He grabs you and takes you into the boards,” said Hemsky.

On the trades and signings:

"We had lots of young guys coming in last year," Hemsky said. "It's the same here this year.

"The first overall pick and another couple guys, so the depth of the young guys is huge. I don't think we ever had so many guys like that, talented. Now, we have another five guys from free agency, so the depth is pretty good. A lot of players."

"The players they've signed are great players who will fit really well. The toughness they got with (Ben) Eager and (Darcy) Hordichuk. The centre (Eric Belanger) for the face-offs. We get a little bigger with (Andy) Sutton. "I think it's a good fit, what we need. It can only make you happy, you know, for the future."

On his future with the Oilers:

“It’s been hard the last four years for the team. It’s never easy to be losing and not making the playoffs, but we’ve made some good additions. The young kids are getting more confident. It’s going to be fun to see how this upcoming season goes. We’re not talking about a new contract. I’m not worried. Like I’ve said, my focus is on getting back to 100 per cent so I can play.”

"I never really judge anybody, why we didn't make it before. It's a new generation now."

"I want a chance to win. I think they made a lot of good additions to the team. We can even this year be good, like for playoffs. Of course, I want to go in the playoffs. That's the only goal I have.

"Even this year. Hopefully, we can do it. If we have those young guys who were playing last year. They'll be more confident, they'll be a little bit older. We've got other young guys coming up . . . it'll be fun."

He’d like to be an Oiler for years to come, but there are no real negotiations going on at this time to hammer out a new long-term deal.

If Hemsky had his way, he’d start and end his career wearing the Oil drop.

“I wouldn’t mind at all. I don’t like change, looking for new stuff. I’ve met lots of great people in Edmonton. I’ve got friends. I’ve got a girlfriend living with me. I can’t complain,” said Hemsky, who will make $5 million next season.

"I can't complain, you know? I don't mind the city. Everybody is nice to me. I can't complain."

http://www.faceoff.com/hockey/teams/...703/story.html - Jim Matheson in Edmonton Journal

http://oilersnation.com/2011/7/5/ale...ds-are-alright - Robin Brownlee at OilersNation.com

VIDEO: http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocen...id=4&id=120332

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Now the reason I am posting this is that I think Hemsky could be fairly healthy this season. So the major question is if he does stay healthy what is a reasonable expectation for Hemsky's Contract?

Here's some comparables

Patrick Elias signed 6M caphit at 30 yrs old

worst injuries 27gp and 38 gp seasons

Due to higher offensive numbers 1+PPG, the 2 stanley cups and versatility (can play W/C) Hemsky likely wouldn't warrant this level of contract.

Marian Hossa signed 5.275M caphit at 30 years old

worst injuries 57gp and 60 gp seasons

With Hemsky improving his overall game then provided he has a healthy season this seems like a good reference.

Martin Havlat signed 5M caphit at 28 years old

worst injuries 18 gp and 35 gp

With similar injury history, skill level, playoff experience, and age at signing this is a close reference point.

IMO provided Hemsky has a healthy season (60-82 GP) a 5-5.3 contract over 6-8 years would be a reasonable expectation. What would u expect from a Hemsky signing, would u hope for something short? (before his long term contract Elias signed a 1 year contract). Juat curious to see if any of these quotes change any minds. Also if any would expect Hemsky to push for a much larger contract.

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What scares me about Hemsky and his future contract numbers is that you almost have to start with Horcoff's numbers to even remotely get him and his agent to talk. How can you give Horcoff that kind of money and then refuse Hemsky those same amounts now? Signing Horcoff to that deal was so dumb and I firmly believe that his contract will come back to haunt us many times in the future when it comes time to give players like Hall/Hopkins/Eberle/etc their due... their agents need only point at Horcoff's contract without saying a word while management is forced to bring out the pocketbook or trade away our stars because we can't fit them all under the cap.

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@ zuko. i think you are in the ball park for salary, but i hesitate at more than 5 million. also a term of 3 years would be an ideal extension if he is healthy, 5 years at the most. i have soured on long contacts unless it's for hall or eberle.

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i think hemsky is really great. i would definitely let him use my hand as a kleenex if he asked me to.

what in the where now ?:blink:

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Give him 3-5 years if he can stay healthy. 1 year if he can't just to give him one more shot to prove his health. Under no circumstances give him two years because then we'd be screwed royally when it was time to resign Hope+hemsky+Whitney.

As for $$$ value, start negotiations at 3.5 M and let him talk you up to 5.25 M max. That way you have a shot at a great deal and if he does talk you up than it's not too bad, and he will feel like he won the negotiations.

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5 or 6 years deal would be great, next 2 season could be most important for Oilers and Aleš said,, that he wants to stay in Edmonton for as long as it possible. He doesn't want to move and that's I think great! With this new guys, he can be star player again! :-)

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Even showing up at rookie camp proves Hemmer is all business this year.Hes ready to take the next step.IF he can stay healthy,a point a game pace is a cakewalk for Hemmer.

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i think hemsky is really great. i would definitely let him use my hand as a kleenex if he asked me to.

uhhh

:th_raise20brow:

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On Regehr:

“I never minded playing against him. He’s tough but honest. He hits, but he doesn’t hit you blind. OK, he did it one time.

I love this quote. I can just see the reporter raising an eyebrow after Hemsky says "he doesn't hit you blind", then Ales adding the rest.

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What scares me about Hemsky and his future contract numbers is that you almost have to start with Horcoff's numbers to even remotely get him and his agent to talk. How can you give Horcoff that kind of money and then refuse Hemsky those same amounts now? Signing Horcoff to that deal was so dumb and I firmly believe that his contract will come back to haunt us many times in the future when it comes time to give players like Hall/Hopkins/Eberle/etc their due... their agents need only point at Horcoff's contract without saying a word while management is forced to bring out the pocketbook or trade away our stars because we can't fit them all under the cap.

Why do people always see to think this statement is true.

Horcoffs contract was back in a different time, when the market dictated that a player with those numbers gets around $xxx.

Now the market TODAY may be similar to then, and Hemsky might get similar dollars now, but it has nothing to do with Horcoffs contract, rather the marketplace for a player of his skillset.

Fair Market Value. Say that 10 times

Don't think for 1 second that during negotiations, that if Hemskys agent asks for a "Horcoff" type contract, that Oiler management wouldn't say "uhhh no, we screwed the pooch on that one"

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Why do people always see to think this statement is true.

Horcoffs contract was back in a different time, when the market dictated that a player with those numbers gets around $xxx.

Now the market TODAY may be similar to then, and Hemsky might get similar dollars now, but it has nothing to do with Horcoffs contract, rather the marketplace for a player of his skillset.

Fair Market Value. Say that 10 times

Don't think for 1 second that during negotiations, that if Hemskys agent asks for a "Horcoff" type contract, that Oiler management wouldn't say "uhhh no, we screwed the pooch on that one"

Pretty much what I was gonna say :).

As for his contract I believe that if we can sign him for 5 to 9 years depending on the amount could be a good investement. And I would be willing to pay him between 4 to 6 million dollars. We can always do like other NHL teams do, play around with the amount he gets each year :P, so that the cap hit isn't as big. If you can't beat them, then join them I say.

And like I said many times, he wants to stay here, how many players with his kind of skills would be willing to say that??? I mean the point of growing our own players was for that reason. To get high elite skilled players through draft, and then those players would be willing to stay in Edmonton. Like we are doing with Hall and Hopkins and Eberle and so on. Hemsky is one of those players as well. Getting rid of him would be no different then trading away Hall or Eberle and so forth.

I mean no player is untouchable on a team (the Gretzky trade proved that). But if you are going to get rid of a player like Hemsky it better be for a damn good reason (not like the trade with Smyth, where both Smyth and Lowe really messed up on that one) and we better get something good in return, something that can help us now and not 5 years down the line.

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Pretty much what I was gonna say :).

As for his contract I believe that if we can sign him for 5 to 9 years depending on the amount could be a good investement. And I would be willing to pay him between 4 to 6 million dollars. We can always do like other NHL teams do, play around with the amount he gets each year :P, so that the cap hit isn't as big. If you can't beat them, then join them I say.

And like I said many times, he wants to stay here, how many players with his kind of skills would be willing to say that??? I mean the point of growing our own players was for that reason. To get high elite skilled players through draft, and then those players would be willing to stay in Edmonton. Like we are doing with Hall and Hopkins and Eberle and so on. Hemsky is one of those players as well. Getting rid of him would be no different then trading away Hall or Eberle and so forth.

I mean no player is untouchable on a team (the Gretzky trade proved that). But if you are going to get rid of a player like Hemsky it better be for a damn good reason (not like the trade with Smyth, where both Smyth and Lowe really messed up on that one) and we better get something good in return, something that can help us now and not 5 years down the line.

YES! +1000000000000000

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Did somebody say to sign Hemsky to a 9 year contract?! That's nucking futs.

We don't know the state of his body. He has just had 2 injury plagued seasons and then you're willing to sign him for a 4-6 mil cap hit over 9 seasons? I don't want the next Savard case.

If Hemsky likes it here so much, get him to sign a 1 year extention to see if his body can be relied upon to not break down.

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Did somebody say to sign Hemsky to a 9 year contract?! That's nucking futs.

We don't know the state of his body. He has just had 2 injury plagued seasons and then you're willing to sign him for a 4-6 mil cap hit over 9 seasons? I don't want the next Savard case.

If Hemsky likes it here so much, get him to sign a 1 year extention to see if his body can be relied upon to not break down.

agreed. Give him 4 at the max. And thats a little much.

At this point i wouldnt sign hall to a 9 year extension, let alone hemmer.

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4 years/5.4 per, but not this year

@ this point we dont have to get rid of hemmer or omark.

lets see what each of them can do until the trade deadline 2012 and go from there.

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4 years/5.4 per, but not this year

@ this point we dont have to get rid of hemmer or omark.

lets see what each of them can do until the trade deadline 2012 and go from there.

id prefer to avoid a smitty V2.0 situation, if you get my drift. Sign him pronto.

Although i do like the idea of using Hemmer and omark to pressure eachother into playing better.

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id prefer to avoid a smitty V2.0 situation, if you get my drift. Sign him pronto.

Although i do like the idea of using Hemmer and omark to pressure eachother into playing better.

what if hemer is broken though. then we would have shot ourselves in the foot by signing him long term, no one would take him off of our hands then.

we need hemmer to prove himself all over again to gain more options.

if its true he doesnt want to sign here, we get more value if he plays 90% of the games and gets back to around 70 points. as of right now his value is down significantly and i dont want to trade him for nothing.

btw i doubt management would let anything similar to what happened with smyth happen again.

this.

:rolleyes:

lol thats not really a valid reason.

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agreed. Give him 4 at the max. And thats a little much.

At this point i wouldnt sign hall to a 9 year extension, let alone hemmer.

Really???

From what I saw out of Hall in his rookie campaign I think a 9 year contract would be too little. If he continues to improve the way I think he will over the next 2 years then when his contract is up for renewal then I would have no problem with Tambellini giving Hall a 12 year contract with say a $7M cap hit.

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Really???

From what I saw out of Hall in his rookie campaign I think a 9 year contract would be too little. If he continues to improve the way I think he will over the next 2 years then when his contract is up for renewal then I would have no problem with Tambellini giving Hall a 12 year contract with say a $7M cap hit.

Not to get too off topic, but i dont like those big long deals, especially right after the dude's rookie deal is over. Not a good plan. What if it goes to his head? What if his ankle becomes a reaccuring problem? i dont want to tie my hands with a huge deal. Right now i would be comfortable givng hall 4 years a 7M per. After next, if his play stays the same and he stays relativly healthy, i would be comfortable at 5-7 years at 7M per. then its time for a long deal if he is still playing up to snuff.

As for hemmer, any more than 4 years is simply ludicrous.

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Not to get too off topic, but i dont like those big long deals, especially right after the dude's rookie deal is over. Not a good plan. What if it goes to his head? What if his ankle becomes a reaccuring problem? i dont want to tie my hands with a huge deal. Right now i would be comfortable givng hall 4 years a 7M per. After next, if his play stays the same and he stays relativly healthy, i would be comfortable at 5-7 years at 7M per. then its time for a long deal if he is still playing up to snuff.

Good points and we still have 2 more years to further gauge Hall so no worries as of right now but if Hall does not go through any of the things you have mentioned in these next 2 years then we should know enough on his to decide if going long term is a good idea or not.

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what if hemer is broken though. then we would have shot ourselves in the foot by signing him long term, no one would take him off of our hands then. True

we need hemmer to prove himself all over again to gain more options. Not completely prove himself, just prove that he is healthy again. maybe a 1 year deal right away to give time to insure his health followed by a 4 year extension if he is ok?if its true he doesnt want to sign here, we get more value if he plays 90% of the games and gets back to around 70 points. as of right now his value is down significantly and i dont want to trade him for nothing. Agreed

btw i doubt management would let anything similar to what happened with smyth happen again. Prob. right

:rolleyes:

lol thats not really a valid reason. I might be biased though

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I don't even feel comfortable talking about what type of money and what term Hemsky should be getting right now. This will be a very telling year for Hemmer and he should be ultra motivated to have a career year. Contract negotiating should be left for next summer in this case.

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Really???

From what I saw out of Hall in his rookie campaign I think a 9 year contract would be too little. If he continues to improve the way I think he will over the next 2 years then when his contract is up for renewal then I would have no problem with Tambellini giving Hall a 12 year contract with say a $7M cap hit.

There is a reason you don't give the first overall pick a 9-12 year contract.

Rick DiPietro

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I agree with the fair market value statement. Think about Seabrook and Keith, they easily could have said well look at how much Campbell is getting we r outplaying him and deserve more. Don't forget these players aren't blind, if Hemsky believes that this is the best place to be for a chance at the cup then he'll take a cut. Especially if it is true that he doesn't want to leave anyways. IMO the best value would either be a 1 year 4.5M contract followed by a 6 year 5.1M contract or straight to the longer term contract depending on his health next year.

As for Hall IMO when his contract is up either give him big money short term or smaller hit long term. 6.5M for 4-6 years or 5M for 10-12 years I would never do that 7 M deal howwever. Deals like the one Ovechkin signed ensure that his team will never have the quality depth other teams do. It also puts a ton of pressure on that player because he has to be the 40-50 goal 100pt guy every year since the team can't afford 20 goal 3rd liners.

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Contracts

When the rookies are up for new contracts, extend them until they have 1 more year of RFA status. Then gauge how long the team should commit.

IF management wants to keep Hemsky (which I don't think is a good idea personally), sign him to a 1 year extention to see if his body is still reliable. Any longer and we might screw ourselves at a bad time when the rooks need new contracts.

If the new CBA has a drop in cap and allows unpenalized buyouts, buyout Horcoff and then reisgn for 2 mil for 2 years (he'd then be making the same amount as if we didn't buy him out). Sign Smyth for 2 years and 2 mil as well.

If we bottom out again this season (which I think we will), get more than role player free agents next July 1st. Sign players who are still young and could have a mjor role on this team on long term contracts. A player like Coburn could be signed to a long term contract for a decent cap hit

If we still suck this season, this will be the last season that the fan base will tolerate it. Next season we need to make a push for the playoffs so retool this season for what you (Tambelinni) think we need to have to become eventual Stanley Cup champs.

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Contracts

When the rookies are up for new contracts, extend them until they have 1 more year of RFA status. Then gauge how long the team should commit.

IF management wants to keep Hemsky (which I don't think is a good idea personally), sign him to a 1 year extention to see if his body is still reliable. Any longer and we might screw ourselves at a bad time when the rooks need new contracts.

If the new CBA has a drop in cap and allows unpenalized buyouts, buyout Horcoff and then reisgn for 2 mil for 2 years (he'd then be making the same amount as if we didn't buy him out). Sign Smyth for 2 years and 2 mil as well.

If we bottom out again this season (which I think we will), get more than role player free agents next July 1st. Sign players who are still young and could have a mjor role on this team on long term contracts. A player like Coburn could be signed to a long term contract for a decent cap hit

If we still suck this season, this will be the last season that the fan base will tolerate it. Next season we need to make a push for the playoffs so retool this season for what you (Tambelinni) think we need to have to become eventual Stanley Cup champs.

Disagree with many points, but that's ok. You have your opinion and I have mine. Just wanted to point out that if you buy someone out, you can't resign them for at least 2 years (as far as I know)

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Contracts

When the rookies are up for new contracts, extend them until they have 1 more year of RFA status. Then gauge how long the team should commit.

IF management wants to keep Hemsky (which I don't think is a good idea personally), sign him to a 1 year extention to see if his body is still reliable. Any longer and we might screw ourselves at a bad time when the rooks need new contracts.

If the new CBA has a drop in cap and allows unpenalized buyouts, buyout Horcoff and then reisgn for 2 mil for 2 years (he'd then be making the same amount as if we didn't buy him out). Sign Smyth for 2 years and 2 mil as well.

If we bottom out again this season (which I think we will), get more than role player free agents next July 1st. Sign players who are still young and could have a mjor role on this team on long term contracts. A player like Coburn could be signed to a long term contract for a decent cap hit

If we still suck this season, this will be the last season that the fan base will tolerate it. Next season we need to make a push for the playoffs so retool this season for what you (Tambelinni) think we need to have to become eventual Stanley Cup champs.

I also disagree with a large amount of the statements you have written. Especially about going after high priced UFA. I like the idea of growing our own talent.

Back on topic...

If Hemsky wants to resign here sign him to a three year contract. I bet you could get him for less than 5.5 mil. Maybe even 4.5 mil.

Hemsky's current contract: http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=12

If Hemsky is on board with the idea of building this team into a contender I bet he signs for a salary similar to what he is making now. He has never struck me as greedy and has always come off as a team player despite being the "star" of the Oilers for years. IMO Hemsky seems like he would enjoy being able to contribute nightly but be enthused to have the spotlight on guys like Hall and Eberle. If this is the case (I know I am making a lot of assumptions) Hemsky could really shine over the next couple years and maybe be a huge contributer at a good price.

IMO Hemsky would perform best for the Oilers as Hossa does in Chicago. The capable star on the second line who is awesome but, is the depth star player that makes our lines hard to match up against.

OMark is great but is unproven. I see no problem with him on the third line + power play time for the next couple years. There is no doubt that Hemsky vs. OMark will continue. Personally I don't really get it. Our left side is full of grinders and power forwards I see no problem with having three skilled players on our right wing (Eberle, OMark, Hemsky). If Omark starts outplaying Hemsky the solution is simple... We will have Alex FRICKEN Hemsky on our third line! IF OMark becomes that good we will have an excellent problem.

I think many people also forget that OMark is really a natural Left wing not a RW. He just plays both sides and switched to play with Paajarvi. Who is to say we don't MacBlender the four of them around the middle four wings (Smyth included) depending on the game? - assuming [Hall - RNH - Eberle] is a solid #1 in years to come.

Omarks Profile: http://oilers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8474059

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