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41 minutes ago, Coffey2Gretzky said:

Petticoat Junction... :ph34r:

Pickles out of a barrel and 3 pretty women swimming in the water tower. 

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Got to get deeper into the playoffs, 2nd round anyway then the whistles go away.

Need a "stud" dman, Norris trophy candidate at least. Need a really good shut down dman.

The regular season is for the little guys and to sell tickets hence "game management" but this will likely change when the casino starts getting involved more. Lots of camera angles to get it right.

Colorado went to the playoffs too early, the Oilers were one year too soon and that has hurt for two years.

Trade for a defensive dman, easier and they are more consistent game in and game out. "The team that wins the Vezina, wins the cup"

Use the number one pick, St Louis and Ottawa don't have one, trust that it will be a late 20's pick. 

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Where is this club headed?

To the gutter, which it needs so the house can be cleaned.

Long term Oiler's fan and I haven't been on here much as of late (Jets season ticket holder) but what I see with this lineup and management mistakes is a clear indication that this club is about as bad as it's been in this horrible stretch of pain.

I'll continue to follow the Oil as they deserve my attention.  I needed them when the Jets left and I'm still not over the loss of the Jets 1.0. 

Sad thing is I am not sure if I got another 10 years of misery in me LOL.

Go Jets Go and Blow Oil Blow

And congrats to Lucic for his 2nd annual goal.

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23 minutes ago, pjrocksmb said:

Where is this club headed?

To the gutter, which it needs so the house can be cleaned.

Long term Oiler's fan and I haven't been on here much as of late (Jets season ticket holder) but what I see with this lineup and management mistakes is a clear indication that this club is about as bad as it's been in this horrible stretch of pain.

I'll continue to follow the Oil as they deserve my attention.  I needed them when the Jets left and I'm still not over the loss of the Jets 1.0. 

Sad thing is I am not sure if I got another 10 years of misery in me LOL.

Go Jets Go and Blow Oil Blow

And congrats to Lucic for his 2nd annual goal.

Nice - feel the same way. Was great to see those uni's the on New Years eve. Wish I could've been there :(

Jets all the way - I hope they can do it this year but Helle needs to be better than he's shown. Must be having trouble adjusting the new goalie equipment like  a lot of other goalies are. 

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5 minutes ago, OilyJetFan said:

Nice - feel the same way. Was great to see those uni's the on New Years eve. Wish I could've been there :(

Jets all the way - I hope they can do it this year but Helle needs to be better than he's shown. Must be having trouble adjusting the new goalie equipment like  a lot of other goalies are. 

I really enjoyed the Jets/Oilers games this year

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On 1/6/2019 at 1:10 PM, dkers77 said:

This is sort of a two part post...and rather lengthy, so bare with me...

I promise I make some good points...

I think there's an inherent disturbance in the force on this club, and has been for some time.

When I see Connor get elbowed, shoved around, and Larsson almost get shoved into his own bench...and no one responds, and opponents don't have to answer for it...this team is broken...and/or the league to some degree for various reasons... 

Where is this train headed..? 

I'm 41, so I've been watching the game for the better part of 30 years. All of which I've cheered for the Oil.

Its not just the Oilers I have issue with at this point, but the game itself...

Which probably started in earnest since the 2017 playoff run, and how it ended. And that's after a decade of suffering through extreme disappointment, as we're all well aware, only to be disappointed again by poor officiating, on and off the ice. And ridiculous rule changes like challenging offsides, when your paying good money to two linesmen to make those calls in real time. If they don't catch it, it's a good goal IMO. This challenge should only be used to challenge goaltender interference...but unfortunately we got shafted there too...

Of course these are examples that resonate with us as Oilers fans, but I'm sure other fans have they're own injustices...

I'm not against rule changes as a whole. Everything evolves to some degree, and changes are sometimes necessary. The athletes themselves have evolved over the years, and perhaps dictate change. But when changes intended to make the game better, make it worse, and nobodys there to hear the tree fall...Is the league not taking a look at all of this..? Do they think everything is great the way it is..? I sometimes wonder..?

OFFICIATING/RULES 

The decision to cut down obstruction, had the right idea in an era that had too much clutching and grabbing. But now we see calls being made if your stick even touches a player, even if it's not impeding the opposing player. Yet we see many other more serious violations not called. Not to mention players immediately selling a supposed violation as soon as they even feel some type of contact. It makes me sick. I don't want to see games decided by chinsy penalty calls any more...

I get how fast the game is, and how hard it is, more than ever to officiate it. More on the games speed below...

And these non - penalties in past eras are now being called because the officials are mandated too...but is this really helping our game..? 

I see stars like Connor obstructed all night long while possessing the puck, and the officials don't call it because we'd have 10 power plays a game...but then call some chinsy hook or supposed hold on a player, just jockeying for position, unclear which player is actually impeding the other, without the puck, no less...That used to be called hockey. 

Instigator rule - otherwise known as I can't come to the defense of my teammate if I think the player in question won't man up to their actions, and drop them, so I have to choose someone who will. And I better be sure they will comply, or I'm really putting my team in a bind, my night is over...and they get away with whatever they want...rule. Now to be clear I'm not saying bring back the 70's. Quite honestly I don't think half this league could play in that era. I don't think they're tough enough...but I think that's a generational thing, and perhaps society has evolved somewhat to the point, that type of aggressive play has been for the most part bred out of these kids...Im just saying the players still need to be able to police themselves to a certain degree...

Removing the red line - huge mistake. At the time I never thought too much about it...I thought let's see how it goes...maybe it'll opens things up a bit. And it did...but it also dumbed the game down so too speak. Now instead of actually having to skate the puck out and make a play, you can just throw it down ice from your own hash marks to a teammate at the opposing blueline to tip it in...or flip the puck rainbow style to a foward for a breakaway...maybe hail mary football fans appreciate this, and perhaps I'm just old school, but this is not as entertaining or thought provoking to me...The other hot button topic regarding the removal is the speed of the game...how it's made the game faster. Some proponents love it. I'm not one of them. I believe all its done, is suck a lot of both team play as a unit and individual play out of the game. Those two terms may seem contradictory...but I hope you get what  I mean by that...I guess you won't if you've never seen a two line pass...Its also made the game somewhat more dangerous, which coincides with Equipment topic below...

I already gave my 2 cents on the coaches challenge, so I'll move on to equipment...

EQUIPMENT

I'm just old enough to remember the padding we wore in the good ol' 80s. Those leather elbow/shoulder pads certainly weren't as protective as the new molded plastic variety, but they weren't weapons either...Now with the increased speed of the game partly due to missing redline, and padding a Roman gladiator would salivate after...no wonder there's as much injury and concussion as we've seen in recent history...Im not saying there wasn't before, and we certainly understand head trauma more now than ever before...but the speed of the game and gladiator equipment are definitely contributing factors...that should IMO be addressed. I should make mention of goaltender equipment. As a fan, visually I think the recent changes are spot on. I'll give the NHL and the men doning the equipment full marks for that.

Back to the Oilers...

I see a team with the best player I've ever seen weild a hockey stick, with no real identity anymore, but desperately seeking one. I certainly don't agree with probably half of what Chiarelli has done, but I'm not going to rip him here. That's not to say I wouldn't like to see the reigns handed down to Keith, or a fresh face. My guess is that will surely happen without us fans holding pitch forks and torches...IF the Oil don't make the playoffs. 

Im usually the eternal optimist. Almost always trying to find the positive in a player, acquisition or lost season. Except when it's quite clear, the acquisition just can't get it done...I even understand why PC brought in Looch. We were getting man handled all over the rink...It was embarrassing, and this was a player that all of us wanted for his character, leadership and ability to make a difference. It gave the team some swagger, it hadn't had since the likes of Gator, Prongs and Laroque patrolling the ice...Unfortunately the contract as we also knew was horrendous. But Looch came as advertised and provided exactly what he needed to too, physically AND on the score sheet the 1st season. In a way, at the time I saw the deal as Larsson AND Looch for Hall. I thought Hall - even an underperforming Hall with some apparent issues...was a steep price to pay but getting the most skilled enforcer in the game and a top pairing Dman we sorely lacked just reaching his prime...would be for the greater good of this teams push back and identity. I just never thought Looch specifically would only have a shelf life of that 1 storied season...I figured we'd at least get 3 good years out of that contract...Now it sounds like I'm just picking on a player who's had the misfortune of a quickly evolving game passing him by...but really this teams lack of real depth upfront and lack of talent, especially offensively on the blueline has really killed this club, and shaken it's confidence to compete consistently. Unfortunately bad contracts like Looches don't help matters. When your handcuffed, and can't make necessary hockey deals to improve your club, and have only to resort to lateral moves that may or may not pan out...its not an enviable position to be in as management or a fan. Of course Management has put themselves in this situation, so I'm not holding any telethon's for them any time soon...Especially when fans are paying $200 bucks for nosebleeds, while certain other franchises are practically bribing folks into seats...Theres gotta be some happy medium there, but that's a whole other story...as I digress. Going back to my point above, in the good ol' days, players were individuals who had very specific roles on teams that made the group as a whole complete. Now what I see is a lot of individuals playing like individuals, and not as a team. Which couldn't be more true for this group. These teams now are so cookie cutted, and sterilized, it bothers me, as a hockey fan. When Looch was able to effect game, was confident, and other notables were progressing, this club had real swagger and optimism...Unfortunately with the decline of those two aforementioned strengths of this club, so too has the identity of this club been lost...

However I don't think it's all doom and gloom...I think there's been some real improvement for this club in the form of recent draftees and signings playing on the farm...that we haven't seen in years...so of the myriad of deals that went sideways on Chiarelli, he can take solace in that I guess...

Can't wait to see a kid line next year, and hopefully linemates for Nuge that can actually produce...like Ferland and Dzingel...And a top 4 that looks like a top 4. Maybe a whole season of Klefbom...Im just throwing all this out there, hoping the universe will answer my prayers...lol

If you actually read this rant in its entirety ...kudos to you! Thanks for your time. 

 

Great Post. To the original post:

Challenges: I agree, this rule should be a hockey rule for goals that MATTER with the heart of the rule over-riding the technicalities impeding the "game".

 

Obstruction: I call this the San Jose expansion rule, the early team was terrible and could only survive by using their lack of skill to clutch and grab the other team under the instructions of a Sutter ( first name irrelevant to the discussion).  As for the physical point you make, players should 'fight' out of a true competitive spirit rather than staged old school 'I am sending my tough guy you send yours' mentality... if a guy goes looking for it when it isn't there then instigator rule applies. This requires referees and not corporate puppets.

Removing the Red line.  I call this the Pavel Bure rule.  The NHL needed to see how this would work and like it or not.  To your point I think that the league needed to eliminate the expansion effect and bring in the Bure but now as the game evolved a revisit should take place.

Equipment: As a 40 year old I clearly see the development of equipment and think modern equipment provides a false sense of security.  Previously a player knew his weak spots and was mindful to both play for the team using his body and understand that the game has certain realities.  Once again the legalistic parts of the new game have distorted the perception.  Older equipment was less rigid and less likely to injure an opponent on impact.

As for the Oilers: minds are already made up for PC and playoffs are on his back.  Even if there are strings being pulled above his head I still say that he needed to have the stones to call out the puppet masters AND not undervalue the guys sent out of Edmonton.  The Looch contract would be workable if action was taken following that move allowed for a reliable contingency. 

My last Oilers ticket was $250 x 4, this will not happen again until we see promises executed not simply spoken into a a microphone.

 

I promise 1 thing, let me into that dressing room and a better attitude and fighting spirit would happen!

 

 

 

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It's not a train but a rollercoaster. The expectations are high before each ride, then we go through ups and downs and end up exactly in the same place where we started.  

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2 minutes ago, Greyone said:

It's not a train but a rollercoaster. The expectations are high before each ride, then we go through ups and downs and end up exactly in the same place where we started.  

Exactly and half way through the ride ya wanna throw up lol

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Laughing at this debacle of a franchise and how we aren’t going to see playoffs for another 5+ years?  Is that what we’re talking about?

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7 minutes ago, Bro-lo_el_cunado said:

This is an Oilers train, and this is me after this year, ANOTHER disappointing year of garbage “hockey”.

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Hahaha, that’s gotta hurt. 

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On 1/10/2019 at 1:12 PM, Greyone said:

It's not a train but a rollercoaster. The expectations are high before each ride, then we go through ups and downs and end up exactly in the same place where we started.  

Until the club actually DOES something that looks like improvement, not just as a sound bite or rhetoric ...... Keep your expectations low.  There is NO rollercoaster without fans building their own HIGHs ..... the club itself does NOTHING to justify the fans response of euphoria entering into a season like this one.

Its mostly a straight and uneventful ride over the last 13 seasons ..... nothing that gives a real thrill, without the "eyes closed" imagination of the fan driving it.

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7 hours ago, DeutchOil said:

Until the club actually DOES something that looks like improvement, not just as a sound bite or rhetoric ...... Keep your expectations low.  There is NO rollercoaster without fans building their own HIGHs ..... the club itself does NOTHING to justify the fans response of euphoria entering into a season like this one.

Its mostly a straight and uneventful ride over the last 13 seasons ..... nothing that gives a real thrill, without the "eyes closed" imagination of the fan driving it.

The troubling thing is that the Oilers make things look difficult while other teams make it look much easier.

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10 hours ago, DeutchOil said:

Until the club actually DOES something that looks like improvement, not just as a sound bite or rhetoric ...... Keep your expectations low.  There is NO rollercoaster without fans building their own HIGHs ..... the club itself does NOTHING to justify the fans response of euphoria entering into a season like this one.

Its mostly a straight and uneventful ride over the last 13 seasons ..... nothing that gives a real thrill, without the "eyes closed" imagination of the fan driving it.

It is like buying a lottery ticket, you know you won't win but dream of doing it.

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11 hours ago, Bro-lo_el_cunado said:

This is an Oilers train, and this is me after this year, ANOTHER disappointing year of garbage “hockey”.

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Lmao.....Who's that trying to get off?...Must be someone in the organization not really part of this debacle.....:ph34r:

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19 hours ago, Bro-lo_el_cunado said:

This is an Oilers train, and this is me after this year, ANOTHER disappointing year of garbage “hockey”.

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It absolutely amazes me how stupid the human race is. I'm assuming here, that this is our new GM once he realizes what he got himself into???

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If Orr is in town to tell Katz and the boys "either get this mess going in the right direction or we're outa here" that should get somebody's attention. Connor can't keep carrying this wreck much longer.

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20 hours ago, Bro-lo_el_cunado said:

Being an Oilers fan?  It’s very painful. 🤦‍♂️

I think we all need to be examined by a professional for cheering for such a disappointing team. :blink:

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Edmonton Oilers Playoff Chances

Lost to Detroit 2-3, playoff odds down 5.6 to 9.4%
49 points   23 24-3
 

What If?

Chances based on how well the Edmonton finish out the regular season.

Spoiler
If finish: Chance in Pres Division seed Conference seed (wildcard race)  
TP W   L - OT playoffs Trophy 1a 1b 2 3 WCb WCa 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Count
                                   
113   32 0 - 0 In 3.7 % 60 8 32 0                     484,517  
111   30 0 - 2 In No   100                         1  
110   30 1 - 1 In No     100                       4 *
109   29 1 - 2 In No 13 13 73                       15 *
108   29 2 - 1 In No 6 5 84 4                     129 *
107   28 2 - 2 In No 4 7 78 11                     451 *
106   27 2 - 3 In No 2 6 77 15 1                   1,600 *
105   27 3 - 2 In No 1 3 70 25 1                   5,040 *
104   26 3 - 3 In No 0 2 64 31 2                   14,814 *
103   26 4 - 2 In No 0 1 54 39 5                   40,307 *
102   25 4 - 3 In No 0 1 44 47 9 0                 103,357 *
101   24 4 - 4 In No 0 0 34 52 14 0                 247,636 *
100   24 5 - 3 In No 0 0 24 54 22 0                 555,700 *
99   23 5 - 4 100.0 % No 0 0 17 52 31 0 0               1,184,237 *
98   23 6 - 3 100.0   No   0 10 48 41 1 0 0             2,389,615 *
97   22 6 - 4 100.0   No   0 6 42 50 2 0 0             4,581,262 *
96   22 7 - 3 99.9   No   0 3 34 58 4 0 0             8,362,458 *
95   21 7 - 4 99.6   No   0 2 26 64 9 0 0 0           14,569,582 *
94   21 8 - 3 98.7   No   0 1 18 64 15 1 0 0           24,247,393 *
93   20 8 - 4 96.3   No   0 0 12 60 24 4 0 0 0         38,648,884 *
92   20 9 - 3 91.1   No   0 0 8 50 33 8 1 0 0 0       58,982,310 *
91   19 9 - 4 81.8   No     0 4 38 40 15 3 0 0 0       86,374,122 *
90   19 10 - 3 68.3   No   0 0 2 25 41 24 7 1 0 0       121,444,224 *
89   18 10 - 4 51.6   No     0 1 15 36 33 13 2 0 0 0     164,055,987 *
88   17 10 - 5 34.6   No     0 0 7 27 37 22 6 1 0 0     213,100,170 *
87   17 11 - 4 20.1   No     0 0 3 17 34 31 12 2 0 0     266,396,891 *
86   16 11 - 5 10.0   No     0 0 1 9 27 36 21 5 0 0 0   320,502,352 *
85   16 12 - 4 4.2   No     0 0 0 4 18 35 31 11 1 0 0   371,434,695 *
84   15 12 - 5 1.4   No       0 0 1 10 29 37 19 4 0 0   414,598,874 *
83   15 13 - 4 0.4   No       0 0 0 4 20 38 29 8 0 0   446,056,692 *
82   14 13 - 5 0.1   No       0 0 0 2 11 33 38 15 2 0   462,441,299 *
81   14 14 - 4 0.0   No       0 0 0 0 5 24 41 25 4 0   462,200,863 *
80   13 14 - 5 0.0   No       0 0 0 0 2 15 39 35 8 0   445,273,188 *
79   13 15 - 4 0.0   No       0 0 0 0 1 8 32 43 15 1   413,587,473 *
78   12 15 - 5 0.0   No       0   0 0 0 4 23 46 24 3   370,235,870 *
77   12 16 - 4 0.0   No           0 0 0 1 15 44 33 6   319,444,256 *
76   11 16 - 5 Out No             0 0 1 8 38 42 11   265,493,517 *
75   11 17 - 4 Out No             0 0 0 4 30 47 18   212,587,984 *
74   11 18 - 3 Out No               0 0 2 21 49 27   163,914,594 *
73   10 18 - 4 Out No               0 0 1 14 48 37   121,612,320 *
72   10 19 - 3 Out No               0 0 0 9 43 48   86,777,118 *
71   9 19 - 4 Out No                 0 0 5 36 58   59,543,525 *
70   9 20 - 3 Out No                 0 0 3 29 68   39,229,748 *
69   8 20 - 4 Out No                 0 0 1 22 76   24,798,107 *
68   8 21 - 3 Out No                   0 1 16 83   15,029,786 *
67   7 21 - 4 Out No                   0 0 11 89   8,719,175 *
66   7 22 - 3 Out No                   0 0 7 93   4,837,597 *
65   6 22 - 4 Out No                     0 5 95   2,566,135 *
64   6 23 - 3 Out No                   0 0 3 97   1,294,915 *
63   5 23 - 4 Out No                     0 2 98   621,297 *
62   5 24 - 3 Out No                     0 1 99   282,664 *
61   5 25 - 2 Out No                       0 100   122,820 *
60   4 25 - 3 Out No                       0 100   49,313 *
59   4 26 - 2 Out No                       0 100   18,981 *
58   3 26 - 3 Out No                       0 100   6,602 *
49 -57   Out No                         100   487,588 *
                                   
Total: 9.4 % 0.0 % 0 0 0 1 3 5 8 12 16 18 19 12 6   6,039,560,054  

* Row combines multiple less frequent records.

 

 

For more info, charts, and graphs:

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Western/Pacific/Edmonton.html

Edited by 420since1974
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On 1/13/2019 at 10:52 AM, Fogolin2 said:

Last night against the Yotes

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The engineer / conductor just got punted - Finally

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On 1/14/2019 at 8:00 AM, 94oildrops said:

I think we all need to be examined by a professional for cheering for such a disappointing team. :blink:

Eh, it's ok being a Tier 2 fan.  What else is there to watch?  

The Tier 1 fans (I assume these are the people who pay to witness this at Rogers Place) need to be examined however.  

I have never heard 17,000 people or whatever that place holds on a given night be so silent as they were early in the 3rd period during the Wings game.  It was eerily quiet even for an Edm crowd witnessing another awful performance by the home team.  When you can hear individual sticks tapping the ice through the TV, you know it's QUIET in the building.

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