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Bettman hates his stuff being upstaged so I would guess they don't want to take away from the pre finals hype the league is hoping for. I bet they announce it Tuesday after the finals have begun.

And a pretty good article on how Tippet has improved every team he has coached quickly.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/good-news-for-edmonton-oilers-dave-tippett-has-rapidly-improved-every-pro-team-hes-coached

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16 hours ago, Bro-lo_el_cunado said:

Why do we want to go to a vineyard?

He's correct if he's referring to the idea that the team will be drinking wine out of the Stanley Cup. 

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I'm hearing former Oiler stick boy Ray Whitney could be one of Tip's assistants . Could they already be grooming  Tippet's successor ?

Also Holland is in Detroit to talk to Datsuk . Can he still play at an NHL level ? Bring him in on a PTO . Could he be a fit at 3C ? 

Interesting stuff out there , makes for speculation .

 

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2 hours ago, billpayor said:

I'm hearing former Oiler stick boy Ray Whitney could be one of Tip's assistants . Could they already be grooming  Tippet's successor ?

Also Holland is in Detroit to talk to Datsuk . Can he still play at an NHL level ? Bring him in on a PTO . Could he be a fit at 3C ? 

Interesting stuff out there , makes for speculation .

 

Holy crap, he's 40 years old! 

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2 hours ago, WHA fan said:

Holy crap, he's 40 years old! 

He had 42 points in the KHL his final year . Howe long did Gordie Howe play ? It would be quite a story anyway .

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6 minutes ago, billpayor said:

He had 42 points in the KHL his final year . Howe long did Gordie Howe play ? It would be quite a story anyway .

True enough. Could be a good steady presence, if he can contribute. On the other hand, his production can't be worse than half the forwards we had last year. Jagr played until well into his 40s and is still playing at 47 in the Czech Republic. 

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1 hour ago, WHA fan said:

True enough. Could be a good steady presence, if he can contribute. On the other hand, his production can't be worse than half the forwards we had last year. Jagr played until well into his 40s and is still playing at 47 in the Czech Republic. 

Gordie Howe played his final season with the Hartford Whalers in the NHL at the ripe age of 52 . He had 41 points and played 80 games . Fun fact .

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1 hour ago, WHA fan said:

True enough. Could be a good steady presence, if he can contribute. On the other hand, his production can't be worse than half the forwards we had last year. Jagr played until well into his 40s and is still playing at 47 in the Czech Republic. 

I agree, he could bring more than points as well. Obvious leadership, experience and respect.

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1 hour ago, billpayor said:

Gordie Howe played his final season with the Hartford Whalers in the NHL at the ripe age of 52 . He had 41 points and played 80 games . Fun fact .

I saw him play the Oilers, for Houston, on a line with two of his sons, I believe Mark and Marty. Yup, I'm that old....but I was a little kid

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10 hours ago, WHA fan said:

Holy crap, he's 40 years old! 

Despite his age, he could get us 20 goals. :) I think it's worth a shot if Datz signs here for cheap. 

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Would love me some Pavel on the team if he's still got game, which I'm sure he does. My favorite Red Wing after the days of Yzerman. One of the league's best takeaway specialists (if not Thee best) during most his NHL career. All kinds of skills.

On Tippet, I've been drinking as much Kool-Aid as I can find and I'm onboard with him. I like that he has a ton of experience and overall a winning record. From what I read, teams that he does take over coaching for always find instant improvement under his guidance so hopefully that trend continues. He's been out of the coaching game for two seasons so we'll see, hopefully he's not rusty. If he does indeed sign...


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It would be exciting to sign Datsyuk and almost guaranteed he would be more effective than many of our depth players last season. I think the problem is $. Edmonton has very few cap dollars to spend and if Datsyuk is still a good player in the KHL he can get way more there.

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7 hours ago, HappyHappy said:

Would love me some Pavel on the team if he's still got game, which I'm sure he does. My favorite Red Wing after the days of Yzerman. One of the league's best takeaway specialists (if not Thee best) during most his NHL career. All kinds of skills.

On Tippet, I've been drinking as much Kool-Aid as I can find and I'm onboard with him. I like that he has a ton of experience and overall a winning record. From what I read, teams that he does take over coaching for always find instant improvement under his guidance so hopefully that trend continues. He's been out of the coaching game for two seasons so we'll see, hopefully he's not rusty. If he does indeed sign...

I don't see how a coaching change does anything... How many coaches have we had since 06?? Whether it be Scotty Bowman himself or Ronald McDonald, in my eyes it doesn't matter who the next coach it. The team needs a major roster improvement first and foremost. 

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On 5/25/2019 at 11:41 AM, billpayor said:

I'm hearing former Oiler stick boy Ray Whitney could be one of Tip's assistants . Could they already be grooming  Tippet's successor ?

Also Holland is in Detroit to talk to Datsuk . Can he still play at an NHL level ? Bring him in on a PTO . Could he be a fit at 3C ? 

Interesting stuff out there , makes for speculation .

 

I highly doubt Datsyuk and Holland are talking a comeback. 

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28 minutes ago, Yuke said:

I highly doubt Datsyuk and Holland are talking a comeback. 

Everything I've seen about Datsyuk potentially coming back has only mentioned Detroit. Never a word about him considering any other team.

I guess anything is possible.


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Given that it is likely that the Oilers will be eating the remainder or Lucic's contract while he largely sits in the press box, and focuses his activities as a huge salary cap sponge, hiring Tippet and his expertise of running a team far below the salary cap, was essential.  The Oilers have to plan on running a team 6.5 million below the League Cap .... and depending on whether or not Sekera can actually play for a season without getting a significant injury, that number might be as high as 10 million below the League.


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On 5/24/2019 at 7:16 AM, arturo said:

and the pattern continues.. this seems like its going ot be a Team Canada(worlds) Reunion tour from the mid to late 2000s.

Here are the top candidates for the Oilers head coaching job throughout the spring:

Hitchcock: Worked with Team Canada 9 times.
Yawney: 3 times with Team Canada.
Woodcroft: 1 with Team Canada + 1 with Team North America.
Knoblauch: 3 times with Canada.
Krueger: 1 with Team Canada + 16x with Switzerland + 1 with Team Europe (signed with Buffalo).
Hartley: 4 times with Team Latvia.
Keefe: 2 times with Team Canada.
Martin: 3 times with Team Canada.
Bylsma: 4 times with Team USA.
Lambert: Played for Team Canada twice when Nicholson was part of the management group.
Nelson: No international coaching experience.
Tippett: 3 times with Team Canada + 1 with Team North America.

Your three choices for guys with no association with team Canada at all are Hartley, Bylsma, and Nelson. Holland hired both Bylsma and Nelson in Detroit but doesn't see either candidate as a good fit for the Oilers job. He's worked with them. He would know first-hand. Hartley has another year on his KHL deal, so he's not leaving.

What you're left with is one of Tippett, Hitchcock, Yawney, Woodcroft, Knoblauch, Keefe, Martin, and Lambert, all with close ties to Team Canada. Hitchcock was fired, Yawney is going to LA, Woodcroft is staying in Bakersfield, Keefe is staying in Toronto, Martin is staying in Pittsburgh. Of the remaining 3 candidates, Tippett is the only one with NHL head coaching experience. Knoblauch just got fired in Philly, so it would be a little head-scratching if he was hired immediately as an NHL head coach. Lambert has a sweet gig working with Trotz with has no reason to leave unless it's an absolute can't-miss opportunity.

The only other legit candidate would be Gulutzan, who has no international coaching experience, no ties to team Canada, but only made the playoffs once in 4 seasons as an NHL head coach, and got swept in the first round in their one playoff appearance. He was supposed to help shake up the offense when he joined McLellan's staff, and the team scored less than the two previous seasons.

Slim pickings.

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During the game tonight they announced Tippet was on route to Edmonton where a press conference would probably announce as early as tomorrow that he would be the Oilers new coach.

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EF....that's a pretty bleak picture of the coaching possibilities!  This may become the 5 longest years of Holland's life if Tippett doesn't work out.


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9 hours ago, EternalFrost said:

Here are the top candidates for the Oilers head coaching job throughout the spring:

Hitchcock: Worked with Team Canada 9 times.
Yawney: 3 times with Team Canada.
Woodcroft: 1 with Team Canada + 1 with Team North America.
Knoblauch: 3 times with Canada.
Krueger: 1 with Team Canada + 16x with Switzerland + 1 with Team Europe (signed with Buffalo).
Hartley: 4 times with Team Latvia.
Keefe: 2 times with Team Canada.
Martin: 3 times with Team Canada.
Bylsma: 4 times with Team USA.
Lambert: Played for Team Canada twice when Nicholson was part of the management group.
Nelson: No international coaching experience.
Tippett: 3 times with Team Canada + 1 with Team North America.

Your three choices for guys with no association with team Canada at all are Hartley, Bylsma, and Nelson. Holland hired both Bylsma and Nelson in Detroit but doesn't see either candidate as a good fit for the Oilers job. He's worked with them. He would know first-hand. Hartley has another year on his KHL deal, so he's not leaving.

What you're left with is one of Tippett, Hitchcock, Yawney, Woodcroft, Knoblauch, Keefe, Martin, and Lambert, all with close ties to Team Canada. Hitchcock was fired, Yawney is going to LA, Woodcroft is staying in Bakersfield, Keefe is staying in Toronto, Martin is staying in Pittsburgh. Of the remaining 3 candidates, Tippett is the only one with NHL head coaching experience. Knoblauch just got fired in Philly, so it would be a little head-scratching if he was hired immediately as an NHL head coach. Lambert has a sweet gig working with Trotz with has no reason to leave unless it's an absolute can't-miss opportunity.

The only other legit candidate would be Gulutzan, who has no international coaching experience, no ties to team Canada, but only made the playoffs once in 4 seasons as an NHL head coach, and got swept in the first round in their one playoff appearance. He was supposed to help shake up the offense when he joined McLellan's staff, and the team scored less than the two previous seasons.

Slim pickings.

thats the problem, the only candidates seen by bobby N and ken holland. heads still have not rolled on NHL coaches like tortirella, boudreau. could have waited our timing has always been so bad with coaches. WE missed out recently  on barry trotz(would have been nice) even when we hired todd Mcleanlean we could have had paul maurice, these are guys who have cups.

also Hitch is a proven guy with cup experience would have liked to see what he could actually have done with more than 60 games. guy was given a god awful team and

goal tending. hitch still ended up with a 26-28-8 record with a 3-4 player team with no defense or goal tending or 2-3-4 th line, id say he did as good as anyone could do given the circus of a year in the head office and team .We could have waited(if firing hitch was so important) on a hiring a head coach too see what other NHL teams are doing or kept hitch. its all just reactionary response without fully thinking whats happening. its not like anyone was banging at tippets door guys been out of the league for a few years as a Head coach.

oilers needed a GM right away before the draft that i agree. holland and his scouts i like at the draft, as a GM not soo much(the good and the bad). his hiring of tippet i think is way too fast, you can tell he knew already he wanted this guy from the moment he was hired. so that disappoints me, he didnt  wait, we do not need a head coach right away. We could have waited to see if a few head coaches got fired.

one thing im really big on is bringing tortz in, can you imagine a coach that can push guys to be the best they can be work with mcdavid and drai. you want to see koskanen perform, try having this guy pull you after 2 goals. you'll either perform or sit.

the school of iron mike keanan obviously. guys like mike keanan and tortz have proven records, they can take teams who have no business being in playoffs to playoffs, and when these coaches have a few super stars they can take them all the way.

tippet i do not see succeeding given how he can do anything with bad teams, and does middle of the road with good teams. i just wished they would have waited and gave this more thought. or think about guys who actually have cups or at least been to the show.
 

look at out last 5 hires before ken hitchcock, who in all fairness wasent really given his fair shake(60 games), but i commend the guy he probably already knew what was going to happen and he said so himself he couldn't bare to watch the oilers be in so much trouble and not do something about it, im an Edmonton boy. spoken like a true oiler fan.

 

so anyways look at the last 5 hires before ken hitchcock, have any of these guys won a cup  or even been to the finals? and now the same thing is happening again with tippet. can we hire someone with some finals or cup experience we do not have any good luck with these non competitive coaches. slim pickings ? no my friend Kenny never had anyone else in mind. its the first and last name brought up. everyone knew it the moment he was hired.

Nepotism has been killing us the last 13 years, if its not the good old boys from the glory years(respect very much but have had a chance already and stuck with just the boys) its PC bring his big bruins to edmonton, now it...

detroits/Team canda(worlds) tail end  drove into the ground guys. I really wish they would do proper interviews, BObby N really fooled us with hiring his buddy as a GM, and so did kenny hiring his buddy as a head coach. now whats next we wait and watch as detroit, and arizona guys come over?

its more of the same thing these guys need to conduct proper interviews and stop hiring who they know. in all honesty let say your BOB, do you hire kenny H because hes your buddy? even though for sake of analogy hes lost his previous company money the last 3 years(will say missing playoffs is losing money) and was pushed out of the company for a better more qualified guy. WOULD YOU HIRE THIS GUY?

and your Kenny holland. a guys been out of the game for 2-3 years out of touch with the new younger faster NHL, and never been able to take a team to the top or close(will say this being cup or finals) and no one is knocking at his door. Do you hire him?

these just seem like common sense to me on running a business. its not like these guys are cutting edge guys with new and up and comers with great ideas.

 

 

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All things considered , Tippet is a very similar coach to Hitchcock . Hitch is still with the Oil in some capacity , as a consultant , who Holland has consulted about what type of coach they should hire and who the next coach should be . He not only has spoken with Hitch , he has spoken with numerous people he knows and trusts within the hockey world and this isn't restricted to Edmonton . Tippet makes sense , he ticks off a lot of boxes for what the Oilers need and he certainly would not be out of touch with things , it's what he does , he's been consulting with Seattle , he is a trusted , experienced hockey man that wants to coach again . 

It's tough being an Oiler fan . Many of us have trust issues . But Tip is probably the best choice .

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4 hours ago, arturo said:

thats the problem, the only candidates seen by bobby N and ken holland. heads still have not rolled on NHL coaches like tortirella, boudreau. could have waited our timing has always been so bad with coaches. WE missed out recently  on barry trotz(would have been nice) even when we hired todd Mcleanlean we could have had paul maurice, these are guys who have cups.

also Hitch is a proven guy with cup experience would have liked to see what he could actually have done with more than 60 games. guy was given a god awful team and

goal tending. hitch still ended up with a 26-28-8 record with a 3-4 player team with no defense or goal tending or 2-3-4 th line, id say he did as good as anyone could do given the circus of a year in the head office and team .We could have waited(if firing hitch was so important) on a hiring a head coach too see what other NHL teams are doing or kept hitch. its all just reactionary response without fully thinking whats happening. its not like anyone was banging at tippets door guys been out of the league for a few years as a Head coach.

oilers needed a GM right away before the draft that i agree. holland and his scouts i like at the draft, as a GM not soo much(the good and the bad). his hiring of tippet i think is way too fast, you can tell he knew already he wanted this guy from the moment he was hired. so that disappoints me, he didnt  wait, we do not need a head coach right away. We could have waited to see if a few head coaches got fired.

one thing im really big on is bringing tortz in, can you imagine a coach that can push guys to be the best they can be work with mcdavid and drai. you want to see koskanen perform, try having this guy pull you after 2 goals. you'll either perform or sit.

the school of iron mike keanan obviously. guys like mike keanan and tortz have proven records, they can take teams who have no business being in playoffs to playoffs, and when these coaches have a few super stars they can take them all the way.

tippet i do not see succeeding given how he can do anything with bad teams, and does middle of the road with good teams. i just wished they would have waited and gave this more thought. or think about guys who actually have cups or at least been to the show.
 

look at out last 5 hires before ken hitchcock, who in all fairness wasent really given his fair shake(60 games), but i commend the guy he probably already knew what was going to happen and he said so himself he couldn't bare to watch the oilers be in so much trouble and not do something about it, im an Edmonton boy. spoken like a true oiler fan.

 

so anyways look at the last 5 hires before ken hitchcock, have any of these guys won a cup  or even been to the finals? and now the same thing is happening again with tippet. can we hire someone with some finals or cup experience we do not have any good luck with these non competitive coaches. slim pickings ? no my friend Kenny never had anyone else in mind. its the first and last name brought up. everyone knew it the moment he was hired.

Nepotism has been killing us the last 13 years, if its not the good old boys from the glory years(respect very much but have had a chance already and stuck with just the boys) its PC bring his big bruins to edmonton, now it...

detroits/Team canda(worlds) tail end  drove into the ground guys. I really wish they would do proper interviews, BObby N really fooled us with hiring his buddy as a GM, and so did kenny hiring his buddy as a head coach. now whats next we wait and watch as detroit, and arizona guys come over?

its more of the same thing these guys need to conduct proper interviews and stop hiring who they know. in all honesty let say your BOB, do you hire kenny H because hes your buddy? even though for sake of analogy hes lost his previous company money the last 3 years(will say missing playoffs is losing money) and was pushed out of the company for a better more qualified guy. WOULD YOU HIRE THIS GUY?

and your Kenny holland. a guys been out of the game for 2-3 years out of touch with the new younger faster NHL, and never been able to take a team to the top or close(will say this being cup or finals) and no one is knocking at his door. Do you hire him?

these just seem like common sense to me on running a business. its not like these guys are cutting edge guys with new and up and comers with great ideas.

 

 

What a bunch of crap. 

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2 hours ago, billpayor said:

All things considered , Tippet is a very similar coach to Hitchcock . Hitch is still with the Oil in some capacity , as a consultant , who Holland has consulted about what type of coach they should hire and who the next coach should be . He not only has spoken with Hitch , he has spoken with numerous people he knows and trusts within the hockey world and this isn't restricted to Edmonton . Tippet makes sense , he ticks off a lot of boxes for what the Oilers need and he certainly would not be out of touch with things , it's what he does , he's been consulting with Seattle , he is a trusted , experienced hockey man that wants to coach again . 

It's tough being an Oiler fan . Many of us have trust issues . But Tip is probably the best choice .

Agree. Most importantly, Tippet is Holland's hire. Oilers need to stop firing coaches every year or so. To me, the coaching history only shows that either they suck at hiring the right people or can't stick to the plan and make jerk coaching moves too early. I doubt this will be the case under Holland.  


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40 minutes ago, Greyone said:

Agree. Most importantly, Tippet is Holland's hire. Oilers need to stop firing coaches every year or so. To me, the coaching history only shows that either they suck at hiring the right people or can't stick to the plan and make jerk coaching moves too early. I doubt this will be the case under Holland.  

Yes and after watching the press conference I have to say I'm sold . 

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22 minutes ago, billpayor said:

Yes and after watching the press conference I have to say I'm sold . 

I like that he said he will build a relationship with each player, that certainly never happened with TM. With Holland making moves and Tippett finding what makes each guy tick I think we’re in for a real turnaround... Now punt the assistants and finish cleaning house!

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1 hour ago, Messrules11 said:

I like that he said he will build a relationship with each player, that certainly never happened with TM. With Holland making moves and Tippett finding what makes each guy tick I think we’re in for a real turnaround... Now punt the assistants and finish cleaning house!

Sound like Coffey is on his way out: 

https://oilersnation.com/2019/05/28/oilers-part-ways-with-paul-coffey/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3fDlqoVYaEAgukiettlpPfpoMdh32BEP0KIKl7H_Aba5RAk8NZlAOiTJg


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2 hours ago, billpayor said:

Yes and after watching the press conference I have to say I'm sold . 

I can't say i'm totally sold but he did roll through the interview well.  I'd say the biggest "selling point" was the 3 year deal.  That puts some onus on him to perform for sure.  Things are looking up though, Holland is at least invested and I believe he is moving back to the area which says a lot about his level of commitment vs what we saw from the chia and wrong todd hires. Let's see if Tippett follows suit.

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39 minutes ago, Greyone said:

Excellent news. I'm starting to believe that Holland actually has autonomy. 

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